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Mudderoy
09-08-2010, 10:57 AM
Well I bent my Jeep. I'm not that concerned since I was going to cover the rocker anyway, but now I really need to bend it back out so I have have a solid connection point for the aluminum diamond plate.

It was suggested to me to use one of those welders that allows you to put little metal rod that you can pull on. Well I've been trying to find one to rent but I'm not having much luck. Then I thought maybe I can get to the back of the bend section of the rocker by removing the transition in the door way.

I just need to pull it off and look, but I thought one of you may know, or have other ideas.

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_b0ViaGso2Ko/TGA9TuQd7fI/AAAAAAAAAYk/hPAzBgt5BLI/s912/2010-08-09%2012.35.50.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_b0ViaGso2Ko/TGA9YZlk8rI/AAAAAAAAAYo/CVDbi4voztg/s912/2010-08-09%2012.35.12.jpg

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ice_cold
09-08-2010, 11:33 AM
Your a little far away for me to lend you mine, I am thinking your looking for a stud welder?
Tacks a stud on that looks like a un-popped rivet.
They are not to expensive, 200 to 300 for a simple one, and thats cdn funds, its probably cheaper for you...
Thing is that there is a crease, so you would have to stretch and shrink the metal as well.
Maybe its time to look at the sliders that people are building for there XJ's.

panama red
09-08-2010, 11:33 AM
adds character, I say leave it.

4.3LXJ
09-08-2010, 11:34 AM
Muddy, those are spot welded in and are part of the structural unibody. To get that off, you have to drill out all the spot welds, (they make a special bit for this) and then you can either weld it back or get a new piece and weld that in. I saw rockers for sale once, but I can't remember where.

Mudderoy
09-08-2010, 11:36 AM
Your a little far away for me to lend you mine, I am thinking your looking for a stud welder?
Tacks a stud on that looks like a un-popped rivet.
They are not to expensive, 200 to 300 for a simple one, and thats cdn funds, its probably cheaper for you...
Thing is that there is a crease, so you would have to stretch and shrink the metal as well.
Maybe its time to look at the sliders that people are building for there XJ's.

yeah that's it. I keep calling it a plug welder, but knew that wasn't right. Yeah but that's a lot more then I want to spend on something I may use twice. Thanks though I'm sure it would be perfect for my application.

Mudderoy
09-08-2010, 11:49 AM
Muddy, those are spot welded in and are part of the structural unibody. To get that off, you have to drill out all the spot welds, (they make a special bit for this) and then you can either weld it back or get a new piece and weld that in. I saw rockers for sale once, but I can't remember where.

Oh yeah, I thought I could remove it and put on a new piece, but I was going to cover it anyway, so I just wanted to pull it out enough to attach 1/8 inch aluminum diamond plate on it, so it doesn't have to be pretty.

Mudderoy
09-08-2010, 11:54 AM
adds character, I say leave it.

It's more a question of having metal to attach to that looks at this point, so I need to bring it out so I can put on the aluminum diamond plate.

rugidone
09-08-2010, 11:55 AM
ya a UniSpotter is what you want, your probly making more work if you want to go through the backside of it.

rugidone
09-08-2010, 11:57 AM
Another option is a screw in slide hammer, drill a hole, thread slide hammer in and tap it out, couple holes to fill, but just seam seal the holes and slap your diamond plate on.

Mudderoy
09-08-2010, 11:58 AM
ya a UniSpotter is what you want, your probly making more work if you want to go through the backside of it.

Yeah I'll just have to take the transitions or "sills" off and look, but I thought I might be able to beat it out through there...

http://xjtalk.com/images/special/Jeep_sill8.jpg

rugidone
09-08-2010, 12:01 PM
You talking about the diamond plate or the plastic trim, under the diamond plate its just a couple screwholes, behind the trim I think is your inner rocker/floor.

Mudderoy
09-08-2010, 12:19 PM
You talking about the diamond plate or the plastic trim, under the diamond plate its just a couple screwholes, behind the trim I think is your inner rocker/floor.

Yeah that's what I was wondering, if I could get to the back of the bent rocker by removing the sill.

rugidone
09-08-2010, 12:22 PM
I am pretty sure there ISNT an opening for your to beat the outer rocker back out without cutting metal.

Mudderoy
09-08-2010, 10:37 PM
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_b0ViaGso2Ko/TIhSj-jVNlI/AAAAAAAAAag/MeQTAteSJLI/s800/2010-09-08%2021.57.11.jpg

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_b0ViaGso2Ko/TIhSdK6J5sI/AAAAAAAAAac/OQDiTT8KvWc/s800/2010-09-08%2022.00.00.jpg

Nope! I could cut some opening though.

unklej's xj's
09-09-2010, 08:58 AM
I saw rockers for sale once, but I can't remember where.


Quadratec has replacement rocker panels for sale. But Then you still need a welder and either paint or something to cover them with.

rugidone
09-09-2010, 12:05 PM
I say the drill/slide hammer method is easiest, since your covering the rockers up anyway Mud.

BlueXJ
09-09-2010, 12:37 PM
Why not cut them out and replace them with some serious angle iron. You will never dent that stuff and it will serve as sliders and a solid rocker to weld anything to in the future.

BTW you can get those stud welder guns at Harbor Freight for cheap.

Mudderoy
09-09-2010, 12:40 PM
I say the drill/slide hammer method is easiest, since your covering the rockers up anyway Mud.

That was my first choice, but then someone mentioned the stud welder and I liked the idea of not having to fill in a bunch of holes. Even after covering it I would still have issues with water getting in there and rusting it out.

Mudderoy
09-09-2010, 12:42 PM
Why not cut them out and replace them with some serious angle iron. You will never dent that stuff and it will serve as sliders and a solid rocker to weld anything to in the future.

BTW you can get those stud welder guns at Harbor Freight for cheap.

Yeah, no I'm doing the Detours Slyders so no need for the angle iron for muddy.

I'll check harbor freight, thanks!

rugidone
09-09-2010, 01:51 PM
Well if ya werent so far away, I would fix it up for ya. lol, already have one in the arsenal.

Mudderoy
09-09-2010, 01:57 PM
Well if ya werent so far away, I would fix it up for ya. lol, already have one in the arsenal.

Thanks, yeah I'm going to have to find one close cause I ain't spending $100 to $150 for one.

Mudderoy
09-09-2010, 02:00 PM
Why not cut them out and replace them with some serious angle iron. You will never dent that stuff and it will serve as sliders and a solid rocker to weld anything to in the future.

BTW you can get those stud welder guns at Harbor Freight for cheap.

They have a picture of it, but when you click it nothing comes up! I think it's about $100 to $150 though, which is far more than I'd be willing to spend.

XJ4IV
09-10-2010, 12:51 PM
IF you place aluminum over that.... it will happen again I say its best to get a GREAT pair of sliders which will also TRIPLE as a step to get into the jeep and also a foot rest for when you go doorless...
They have some sliders where the tube that sticks out is at an angle and you wouldnt see that bend unless you seriously got down there and started inspecting.http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kY1XdZHqD0o/TCOnJ6ZXi0I/AAAAAAAAAUg/54H1v2fveDc/s1600/ORF-XJ-84460-web.jpg
http://tntcustoms.com/images/products/thumb/xjslider2.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kY1XdZHqD0o/TEThLsTk3bI/AAAAAAAAAV8/TjVF1sK7trw/s1600/Faustmann+Cherokee-web.jpg
http://image.4wdandsportutility.com/f/18509655+w750+st0/0906_4wd_38_z+1998_jeep_cherokee_xj+rock_sliders.j pg

Mudderoy
09-10-2010, 12:56 PM
IF you place aluminum over that.... it will happen again I say its best to get a GREAT pair of sliders which will also TRIPLE as a step to get into the jeep and also a foot rest for when you go doorless...

I know no one keeps up with this because it has to do with my jeep, so I'll repeat...

The aluminum diamond plate is for mild hits, sticks, door bangs etc... not for any major projection. The DETOURS slyders will be for the major projection...

http://detoursusa.com/images/xjuni01_lrg.jpg

http://detoursusa.com/images/xjuni_main.jpg

I'm going to get the one's with the integrated frame stiffeners.

http://detoursusa.com/images/xjuni03_lrg.jpg

:link: (http://detoursusa.com/xjrokslyders.php)

XJ4IV
09-10-2010, 01:29 PM
Welllll fiiiiinnnnnneeeee then!!!

rugidone
09-18-2010, 06:06 PM
Hrmmmm, wish I had pinch seams to faster rock sliders to. lol

XJ4IV
09-19-2010, 01:28 AM
what happened to yours?

rugidone
09-23-2010, 08:52 PM
my jeep got a new floor and rocker panels, my inner rocker is a piece of angle iron pointing up inside the rocker and my rocker is welded flat over the angle iron, so its flat.

JENSSEN
10-31-2010, 12:39 AM
OK bend a rocker? you could bolt on but I prefer weld in,...

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg36/mitsulvr/HRC%202008/IMG_2432.jpg

Rocker is cut out , rectangular tube steel welded in place,..

You can put a jack all on the the rocker and lift the side up and I also gained clearance ;)

jonathanlo
11-01-2010, 01:55 PM
Have you thought about just filling it in with Bondo? It'll give you a decently solid place to attach the plating to. Don't know what you're using to attach it though? That way, you wouldn't have to drill any holes in the rocker.

Mudderoy
11-01-2010, 02:01 PM
Have you thought about just filling it in with Bondo? It'll give you a decently solid place to attach the plating to. Don't know what you're using to attach it though? That way, you wouldn't have to drill any holes in the rocker.

I thought bondo wasn't supposed to be thinking that 1/16th of an inch, or maybe it was 1/8th, anyway much thinner than would required here. I did think about it though.

JENSSEN
11-01-2010, 11:39 PM
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_b0ViaGso2Ko/TGA9TuQd7fI/AAAAAAAAAYk/hPAzBgt5BLI/s912/2010-08-09%2012.35.50.jpg


Have you thought about just filling it in with Bondo? It'll give you a decently solid place to attach the plating to. Don't know what you're using to attach it though? That way, you wouldn't have to drill any holes in the rocker.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUHsK5kJuJLoqNsrKOJqiAO_X43_fpp UrSzETRaPWe7ErMi8g&t=1&usg=__nz2eLhnMp7g_2PjbL5FdY0molhU=

Drill holes from the back side of the rocker , or weld some thing to the exterior to pull the dent back,.. then maybe a skim to smooth it but DON'T FILL IT

I can show you how to pull that dent,.. maybe a web how to?

Mudderoy
11-02-2010, 12:21 AM
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_b0ViaGso2Ko/TGA9TuQd7fI/AAAAAAAAAYk/hPAzBgt5BLI/s912/2010-08-09%2012.35.50.jpg



http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTUHsK5kJuJLoqNsrKOJqiAO_X43_fpp UrSzETRaPWe7ErMi8g&t=1&usg=__nz2eLhnMp7g_2PjbL5FdY0molhU=

Drill holes from the back side of the rocker , or weld some thing to the exterior to pull the dent back,.. then maybe a skim to smooth it but DON'T FILL IT

I can show you how to pull that dent,.. maybe a web how to?

stud welder would be great. I'll get it done eventually. I don't have the cash for the diamond plate aluminum yet anyway.

JENSSEN
11-02-2010, 10:04 AM
Now remember if you put aluminum anywhere against steel be it a rivet, alum panels and the two end up touching in the raw state you will have corrosion, its an issue with dissimilar metals that causes this,..

Now to honest I like the dent,.. adds Character :cheerleader::driving::thumbsup:

Mudderoy
11-02-2010, 10:47 AM
Now remember if you put aluminum anywhere against steel be it a rivet, alum panels and the two end up touching in the raw state you will have corrosion, its an issue with dissimilar metals that causes this,..

Now to honest I like the dent,.. adds Character :cheerleader::driving::thumbsup:

I know several people have made that comment. :smiley-laughing021:

Well I was going to paint it after I was done and I was going to use stainless steel screws and glue to attach the aluminum. Really more glue that screws. The aluminum will be painted black. The screws will be there to make damn sure they stay on. :rotfl2:

The plan is actually to have it go up to the bottom of the side molding. :thumbsup:

modestmar00xj
12-14-2010, 01:54 PM
yes! those detours sliders are awesome!

xjrev10
01-02-2011, 12:21 PM
your rockers aint bent till ya cannot open your doors..

http://i1021.photobucket.com/albums/af332/xjrev10/1c1dbe89.jpg

PolarXJ
01-03-2011, 01:44 PM
There are diamond plates for a durango that I've seen modified for an XJ. That will cover up the dent. So you wouldn't have to fix it. I'd post it, but my 13kb pic still exceeds the limit for this site.

Mudderoy
01-03-2011, 11:37 PM
There are diamond plates for a durango that I've seen modified for an XJ. That will cover up the dent. So you wouldn't have to fix it. I'd post it, but my 13kb pic still exceeds the limit for this site.

Well I guess I don't have to fix it but I thought it would work better if the diamond plate had something to press against.

My wife spun her mustang last week so now I have a larger job for that stud welder. Two jobs may make it worth it. Still have to come up with the money.

LizardRunner
01-06-2011, 11:34 AM
Try a Rental Shop, some of them have stud welders that you can rent for a week or how ever long you need one. The alternative is to use a slide hammer and screw or L arm, pull it out, then if you have any type of welder or access to one just weld up the holes so you don't worry about rusting from the inside out. If your going to attach aluminum to steel, you will need a better buffer zone than adhesive, rubber sheeting comes to mind and stainless is still a dissimilar metal, you will see corroding of the aluminum around the stainless screw heads eventually unless you also isolate those with a rubber washer. If your planning on using sliders anyway, then you might consider the previously mentioned leave it alone comments just for easy and cheep. I like your choice of slider by the way, those are sweet with the stiffner built in.

Mudderoy
01-06-2011, 11:38 AM
try a rental shop, some of them have stud welders that you can rent for a week or how ever long you need one.

I did an extensive Google search, any names for those rental places come to mind?

LizardRunner
01-06-2011, 11:46 AM
I did an extensive Google search, any names for those rental places come to mind?

here in Little Rock we have; Hugg&Hall, NES Rentals, Ace Rental Center, RSC (they have one at our location, I called), and SRS.

Mudderoy
01-06-2011, 11:49 AM
here in Little Rock we have; Hugg&Hall, NES Rentals, Ace Rental Center, RSC (they have one at our location, I called), and SRS.

Excellent! Thank you! I really need it to start the repair on my wife's Mustang.

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_b0ViaGso2Ko/TRvUR4sgDiI/AAAAAAAAAj8/iQNe_Wp81tw/s912/2010-12-29%2016.59.07.jpg

PolarXJ
01-06-2011, 11:54 AM
Well I guess I don't have to fix it but I thought it would work better if the diamond plate had something to press against.

My wife spun her mustang last week so now I have a larger job for that stud welder. Two jobs may make it worth it. Still have to come up with the money.

Well looking at your pic, it seems to me like you'd have enough to in the front of the dent to attach to and plenty in back of it. Like you said though, with two rigs to fix, it might make it worth it to buy the tool. Who knows, you get good enough and quick enough at fixing XJ rockers you might be able to make decent money fixing other XJs. :D There are plenty out there with those dents :D The way I built my rock sliders kinda hides my dents.

Mudderoy
01-06-2011, 12:07 PM
Well looking at your pic, it seems to me like you'd have enough to in the front of the dent to attach to and plenty in back of it. Like you said though, with two rigs to fix, it might make it worth it to buy the tool. Who knows, you get good enough and quick enough at fixing XJ rockers you might be able to make decent money fixing other XJs. :D There are plenty out there with those dents :D The way I built my rock sliders kinda hides my dents.

Yep, I was lucky with what I bent because I already had plans for diamond plate on the rockers and up the door to the side trip. I just need to pull the rocker out far enough so there is something solid to attach the diamond plate to.

I'm still collecting the aluminum cans for some Detours slyders! :D

PolarXJ
01-06-2011, 02:42 PM
Yeah detour makes some great looking sliders. Do you have a welder? If so, why not make your own?

Mudderoy
01-06-2011, 03:46 PM
Yeah detour makes some great looking sliders. Do you have a welder? If so, why not make your own?

nope....

LConzett
12-22-2011, 09:46 PM
i have been pondering the idea of a 2x4 box steel rocker with bracing to the unibody like a slider anyone else have any suggestions

4.3LXJ
12-22-2011, 11:19 PM
That works. 2X6 works a little better.

bugsjeep
01-16-2012, 03:51 AM
harbor freight- 120.00 stud welder, 10.00 pr pkg of studs.