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Pookapotamus
02-28-2015, 03:53 PM
Some of you already know that a couple of weeks ago I had a thought pop into my head and I haven't been able to let go of it. The thought was simple, Build a 6WD XJ, I have posted questions and gotten ideas and figured that it was time to name this jeep and give him a build thread.

I am not sure when this build will get underway, there is tones of design work to be done and this will be a very expensive build, I wanted to create the build thread to keep my self motivated and to have everyone here involved in a spectacular build from start to finish also to answer questions and contribute ideas.

And this is a great way for me to keep track of all my ideas!

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/XXJMaster1_zpsb9808402.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/XXJMaster1_zpsb9808402.jpg.html)
Here is a pic of what I would like the finished side profile to look like, and Oldfaurt (Bob) did this photoshopped pic of Mortis to what I would like Rinzler to look like.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/Rinzler_zpskvev2frn.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/Rinzler_zpskvev2frn.jpg.html)

I have chosen the name Rinzler, I love the Tron movies and this character just kinda struck a chord with me, he is the evil version of Tron, a program created to protect users, he wields dual identity disks (dual axles in this case) and his colors are black with red/orange highlights which I think will look great on an XJ.

Some of my goals are:
1 Don't stretch the xj at all!!!
2 Be able to drive in 2wd
3 Storage trunk in rear
4 quiet! (Mort is kinda loud on the highway and at a drive through!)


Engine: Unknown (possibly Heavily Modified Tornado)
Trans: Unknown (ax15 but would like a 6 speed)
Transfer Case: 242 (More likely the rubicon 4:1 reduction)
Front Axle: Dana 44HP, E locker, Rockjock housing with 4:10 JK Gears, RCV's
Mid Axle: Front Dana 44hp Heavily Modified RJ as above
Rear Axle: Front Dana 44hp Heavily Modified RJ as above
Lift: Clayton 6" 3 Link front with 2 4 link rears
Tires: 33"x12.5"x15" Toyo Open country
Rims: Walker evens bead locks
Suspension: Coil over spring
Front Bumper: Aluminum Wrap around with winch
Rear Bumper: Aluminum with winch Unknown design (Very flush)
Roll Cage: Aluminum Full cage, Inside
Front Brakes: Disk
Mid Brakes: None
Rear Brakes: Disk
Front Disconnect: Custom built automatic
Mid Disconnect: Custom built automatic
Rear Disconnect: Custom built automatic
Paint Scheme: Gloss Black with Red/Orange Tron Style Pinstriping
Interior Scheme: Red/Orange with black Highlights
Roof lights: LED (Rigid SR Series)

So I have started Mocking everything up in 3D, and with a mid Driveshaft length of 18" and highly modified front axles in the rear this looks like it might just be possible!
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/Top1_zpsr6p51hle.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/Top1_zpsr6p51hle.jpg.html)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/Topo_zpss5b9o3is.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/Topo_zpss5b9o3is.jpg.html)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/Side1_zpsilk5dylg.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/Side1_zpsilk5dylg.jpg.html)

4.3LXJ
02-28-2015, 03:58 PM
Yeah, about what I had in mind. I have to confess to everyone, this is growing on me too. Dana and I could start an XJ6X6 club :D

cantab27
02-28-2015, 05:54 PM
7098

past one last night ........:rolleye0012:

Pookapotamus
02-28-2015, 06:58 PM
7098



past one last night ........:rolleye0012:


Sweet!

prerunner1982
03-02-2015, 12:45 PM
Something like this ehh? (obviously photoshopped)

http://www.cherokeeforum.com/attachments/f9/23346d1280678818t-saw-something-weird-driving-down-interstate-2sv-xxxj-1-.jpg

4.3LXJ
03-02-2015, 12:48 PM
Wow, that would have room for all the camping gear. Wouldn't want to be on the tight trails with it though

prerunner1982
03-02-2015, 12:50 PM
I would also suggest starting with a 2 door as you have more room to make wheel wells and not worry about the rear doors. figure your rear axles are going to have to be no less than 3' apart you are going to need quite a bit of room back there.

You could also do like some of the dump/cement trucks do and make the mid-axle be able to lift up off the ground. Would make it easier to turn, especially on the street. Going to scrub the rear tires a lot, especially with how tight an XJ normally turns.

prerunner1982
03-02-2015, 12:51 PM
Could end up with something like this....

http://www.xxxpedition.com/2S-Vehicles/2Sv-XTJ.jpg

4.3LXJ
03-02-2015, 12:52 PM
I don't see how you could make that work, with an axle in the middle of a transmission

Pookapotamus
03-02-2015, 04:02 PM
Its photoshopped Steve, the same dirt pattern on the two front tires, looks cool though!

4.3LXJ
03-02-2015, 04:48 PM
I knew it had to be. But yes it looks cool. I think the XJ is the best platform to do this with. But oh the work involved. Gonna need some major frame redo and ditch the back seat, unless you make it a single seater. Also full width axles are a real plus here I think. That would make for less interior work

Pookapotamus
03-02-2015, 04:58 PM
If only I could win the lotto!!!


Can't even afford the tickets!!!

4.3LXJ
03-02-2015, 05:02 PM
No chance there for me either. I haven't bought the first ticket yet :D

But I have been collecting parts for axle builds anyway. So I would need one more ARB (ouch) and a basic axle to start with at about $450

Carves
03-02-2015, 05:30 PM
I have chosen the name Rinzler, I love the Tron movies and this character just kinda struck a chord with me, he is the evil version of Tron, a program created to protect users, he wields dual identity disks (dual axles in this case) and his colors are black with red/orange highlights which I think will look great on an XJ.


Not staying with the yellow ??

Altho if you want a yellow 6x6, you might have to change your name from Pookapotamus,



... to Fleagle .. :p .. :poke: .. :D




http://mentalfloss.com/sites/default/legacy/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/banana-splits.jpg



You're taking on a hell of a task .. :thumbsup:

.... me being a lazy sod ... I would just slap a cherokee sticker on a pinzgauer ... and be done with it .. :o .. :D

Pookapotamus
03-02-2015, 05:43 PM
Nope the yellow is super cool, but I want to go all out with this build! Paint and all!!!

4.3LXJ
03-02-2015, 08:18 PM
Ok, I read your list of parts. I think you need a third job for that. But realistically, I can cut at least 3K out of that 10K you will have in axles. First, though you will need to fire up that new lathe and make yourself a new shop toy.

Back in the day, we won't say how far that is, I hung around a 4s4 shop and did work for them and did a lot of B.S.ing. One of the things they did was make D44s for Jeeps. They got scrap housings from the wrecking yard for next to nothing, and I mean a big pile of them. They cut the welds on the housings and made a little ram to fit in the housing that only had one purpose. Pushing tubes out. Then they would shorten them and press them back in and viola, a Chevy PU housing became a Jeep housing. You an do the same thing with a pick and pull housing, front or rear. If you want high pinion, wait until the housing is stripped and then make them a ridiculous offer for it and go to work. You can make yourself a high pinion rear housing, put some standard D44 tubes in it and some ZJ brakes and you have most of what a RJ is.

Something to consider

Mudderoy
03-03-2015, 06:32 AM
The drive train doesn't allow for articulation does it? I see bent rear drive shaft. Also wouldn't you want coil, or coil over for rear suspension?


Some of you already know that a couple of weeks ago I had a thought pop into my head and I haven't been able to let go of it. The thought was simple, Build a 6WD XJ, I have posted questions and gotten ideas and figured that it was time to name this jeep and give him a build thread.

I am not sure when this build will get underway, there is tones of design work to be done and this will be a very expensive build, I wanted to create the build thread to keep my self motivated and to have everyone here involved in a spectacular build from start to finish also to answer questions and contribute ideas.

And this is a great way for me to keep track of all my ideas!

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/XXJMaster1_zpsb9808402.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/XXJMaster1_zpsb9808402.jpg.html)
Here is a pic of what I would like the finished side profile to look like, and Oldfaurt (Bob) did this photoshopped pic of Mortis to what I would like Rinzler to look like.
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/Rinzler_zpskvev2frn.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/Rinzler_zpskvev2frn.jpg.html)

I have chosen the name Rinzler, I love the Tron movies and this character just kinda struck a chord with me, he is the evil version of Tron, a program created to protect users, he wields dual identity disks (dual axles in this case) and his colors are black with red/orange highlights which I think will look great on an XJ.

Some of my goals are:
1 Don't stretch the xj at all!!!
2 Be able to drive in 2wd
3 Storage trunk in rear
4 quiet! (Mort is kinda loud on the highway and at a drive through!)


Engine: Unknown (possibly Heavily Modified Tornado)
Trans: Unknown (ax15 but would like a 6 speed)
Transfer Case: 242 (More likely the rubicon 4:1 reduction)
Front Axle: Dana 44HP, E locker, Rockjock housing with 4:10 JK Gears, RCV's
Mid Axle: Front Dana 44hp Heavily Modified RJ as above
Rear Axle: Front Dana 44hp Heavily Modified RJ as above
Lift: Clayton 6" 3 Link front with 2 4 link rears
Tires: 33"x12.5"x15" Toyo Open country
Rims: Walker evens bead locks
Suspension: Coil over spring
Front Bumper: Aluminum Wrap around with winch
Rear Bumper: Aluminum with winch Unknown design (Very flush)
Roll Cage: Aluminum Full cage, Inside
Front Brakes: Disk
Mid Brakes: None
Rear Brakes: Disk
Front Disconnect: Custom built automatic
Mid Disconnect: Custom built automatic
Rear Disconnect: Custom built automatic
Paint Scheme: Gloss Black with Red/Orange Tron Style Pinstriping
Interior Scheme: Red/Orange with black Highlights
Roof lights: LED (Rigid SR Series)

So I have started Mocking everything up in 3D, and with a mid Driveshaft length of 18" and highly modified front axles in the rear this looks like it might just be possible!
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/Top1_zpsr6p51hle.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/Top1_zpsr6p51hle.jpg.html)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/Topo_zpss5b9o3is.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/Topo_zpss5b9o3is.jpg.html)
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii191/pookapotamus/Side1_zpsilk5dylg.jpg (http://s264.photobucket.com/user/pookapotamus/media/Side1_zpsilk5dylg.jpg.html)

Mudderoy
03-03-2015, 06:35 AM
Ahhhh hear ya go!

http://www.allworldwars.com/image/082/Armor50sPictorialDictionary-065.jpg

4.3LXJ
03-03-2015, 10:23 AM
Yup, that is how it would work. Interestingly that is the Willys design for the "MB" 6X6 made in 1946

http://youtu.be/kJmn2zxlMTs

prerunner1982
03-03-2015, 12:34 PM
Here is how the Dodge Trex 6x6 is set up.

http://image.fourwheeler.com/f/18497373+w750+st0/129_0212_02_z+6x6_dodge_ram+under_view.jpg

http://image.fourwheeler.com/f/8815784+w660+h440+re0+cr1+ar0/129-0212-01z%2b1995-dodge-ram%2brear-passenger-side-view.jpg

Pookapotamus
03-03-2015, 01:50 PM
The drive train doesn't allow for articulation does it? I see bent rear drive shaft. Also wouldn't you want coil, or coil over for rear suspension?


The rear driveshaft will be a 2 piece shaft that floats on the mid axel, so that when the mid axle moves up it also moved the rear shaft, allowing for as much flex as possible.

Yes it will be coil overs all the way around, just haven't modeled that yet, the model will be able to show all articulation when I'm done with it.

Pookapotamus
03-07-2015, 08:51 PM
4 link or 3 link up front???

4.3LXJ
03-07-2015, 09:12 PM
I am satisfied with my three link

Pookapotamus
03-07-2015, 09:43 PM
Me too Steve but I was wondering if it was worth getting rid of the track bar?

4.3LXJ
03-07-2015, 09:47 PM
Ah, so I see now. I have seen that done on places like pirate. But, they also run just a ram and hydrostatic box for steering. Supposedly, a rig on a vid I saw was streetable that way. But my experience with that type of steering on tractors is that there is enough slippage in the system that it wouldn't allow you to keep a steering wheel clocked and I don't think I would want to run one at freeway speeds

Pookapotamus
03-07-2015, 09:57 PM
That's what I thought, off-road use only!! Thanks!!!

4.3LXJ
03-07-2015, 09:58 PM
Here is an additional thought to gum up the works. The boy and I were talking about having a half track Jeep. :D Saw one once, but the guy wouldn't sell it to me:bang:

Pookapotamus
03-07-2015, 10:03 PM
Half track would be cool! But also not for highways or city.

Where is a good spot to look at coil overs???

Pookapotamus
03-07-2015, 10:59 PM
Did a little work
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/07/ca9710fad1d52c48ad5ce8b7d0958517.jpg

Coilovers just for you tony! And rear upper control arm mounts!

4.3LXJ
03-08-2015, 12:22 AM
Half track would be cool! But also not for highways or city.

Where is a good spot to look at coil overs???

That is a good question. Before you actually get them you will have to weigh each wheel. But there are fox and Bilstein, who claim they have shocks ready for rock crawling. The Fox will have to be revalved when you get them so order a nitrogen cylinder too. King is another source and cheaper IIRC. I think the cheapest will be Pro Comp

Pookapotamus
03-08-2015, 03:08 PM
Admit it the hockey pucks for tires bugged you too!!!http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/08/e0803a985158b807d0a6cc6d35e5fcf0.jpg

It really looks like I'm building an radio controlled!

Added the front 3 link, movable drive shafts and u joints

4.3LXJ
03-08-2015, 03:43 PM
I like those tires Pook, I want some :D

Pookapotamus
03-08-2015, 04:22 PM
I like those tires Pook, I want some :D


Very exclusive club Steve, I'll get you in! You have no problem sacrificing a Virgin to the apookalypse right???

4.3LXJ
03-08-2015, 04:55 PM
I don't currently have one of those. I will have to start searching

XJ Wheeler
03-08-2015, 11:59 PM
Apparently you can go to craigslist for that too.

abebehrmann
03-09-2015, 09:49 AM
Half track would be cool! But also not for highways or city.

Where is a good spot to look at coil overs???

Have you considered ORIs? They seem to be an awesome option if you're already planning on going towards a coilover type suspension.



Admit it the hockey pucks for tires bugged you too!!!http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/08/e0803a985158b807d0a6cc6d35e5fcf0.jpg


Hahahahahahahaha! Love the Pook Year tires. I always figured you were a BF Pookrich man. Maybe some KM-Poos :D:D

Pookapotamus
03-23-2015, 08:26 AM
What are ori's???

Pookapotamus
03-23-2015, 08:28 AM
Does anyone have any experience with coilovers? Is 14" of travel enough? 50% up/down? 60% up 40% down?

abebehrmann
03-23-2015, 08:29 AM
http://oristruts.com/

Few guys around here have them. They swear by them. A lot easier to tune than coilovers.

Pookapotamus
03-23-2015, 08:32 AM
Yup going to really look into those!!!

NW99XJ
03-23-2015, 08:41 AM
"PookYear Tires"
lol
Nice touch.

Pookapotamus
03-23-2015, 09:18 AM
Dammit Abe! Now I have to change my model! And I just finished making the coilovers work properly last night!

Will definitely be going with oristruts! I wonder if these could be run like an air bag suspension and I could adjust height from the cab??

My question still remains, how much travel? I'm sure Mort has more than 14".

abebehrmann
03-23-2015, 09:48 AM
Dammit Abe! Now I have to change my model! And I just finished making the coilovers work properly last night!

Will definitely be going with oristruts! I wonder if these could be run like an air bag suspension and I could adjust height from the cab??

My question still remains, how much travel? I'm sure Mort has more than 14".

Hahaha, well better now than after you actually built the real thing! Don't know how feasible it would be to have in cab adjustment, never seen anything like that yet.

Sorry, I can't help you with the travel question. These are 16'' ORI if that helps at all.

Pookapotamus
03-23-2015, 10:04 AM
Yup that helps, Mort does that now so I'm looking at around 16" of travel. Tks

XJ Wheeler
03-24-2015, 01:35 AM
Keeps in mind where you mount the springs (whatever type) will change the amount of articulation. More inboard = more flex. And keep in mind that jk is probably several inches wider than your xj.

bRIBEGuy
03-24-2015, 12:54 PM
Looks good so far!

If (when?) this thing actually becomes a reality, you'll never get me out of your garage.......I'm just gonna sit back and enjoy the show. ;)

Pookapotamus
03-24-2015, 01:40 PM
Garage is always open to jeep guys! Come on over any time!

Pookapotamus
03-24-2015, 07:50 PM
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/24/0ef2e56ef764cf4c15c41a66f57c9c86.jpg

Modeled up the ORI's!

Pookapotamus
03-24-2015, 09:17 PM
Got them placed, now the fun begins of tweaking all the pieces so that everything works. http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/24/e087e906fda5e173a894761323e29067.jpg

4.3LXJ
03-24-2015, 09:20 PM
Ya got Pook Year backwards on two of the tires. Just how do you say that anyway? :smiley-taunt002:

Pookapotamus
03-24-2015, 09:24 PM
Dammit! You noticed! It was just a simple mirror of the correct one.

4.3LXJ
03-24-2015, 09:25 PM
So I still don't know how to say it :P

4.3LXJ
04-03-2015, 12:47 PM
Here is some food for thought

4.3LXJ
04-03-2015, 05:10 PM
I am sure you have seen this, but it gives food for thought

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-non-hardcore/1055085-urban-assault-tj-zombie-killer-build.html

Carves
04-03-2015, 06:32 PM
I am sure you have seen this, but it gives food for thought




Why are you still posting ideas for him ???

I was hoping he would have the damn thing finished by now,


... so I could drool all over the piccies .. :D

4.3LXJ
04-03-2015, 07:04 PM
Why are you still posting ideas for him ???

I was hoping he would have the damn thing finished by now,


... so I could drool all over the piccies .. :D

If he has to redo it, it means more pics :pray:

Pookapotamus
04-04-2015, 10:12 AM
Lol!!! Haven't done much to Rinzler lately, been working on a project to hold Rotopax on the side of a jk hard top and finishing up my bearing idea.
I'll get back on him soon.

4.3LXJ
04-04-2015, 10:14 AM
Ya better Dana. If I had the cash, I would be doing it. This is of course the Jeep I wasn't going to modify …...

Pookapotamus
04-04-2015, 10:22 AM
Money, if only I had some! Build a huge facility in the mountains for wheeling and building, host welding classes and have bays for jeepers to do their own work.

4.3LXJ
04-04-2015, 10:26 AM
Sounds good. Maybe we could combine resources. Distance however ….

4.3LXJ
04-04-2015, 10:29 AM
I am sure you have seen this, but it gives food for thought

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/jeep-non-hardcore/1055085-urban-assault-tj-zombie-killer-build.html

Dana did you get a a chance to look at this build? One thing that struck me was the carrier bearing Tom Woods made up for the front axle. A couple of pillow block bearings with a shaft and two flanges. Looks like a real chunk of iron.

Pookapotamus
04-04-2015, 11:19 AM
I only glanced at it, will look deeper

abebehrmann
04-05-2015, 03:29 PM
Dana did you get a a chance to look at this build? One thing that struck me was the carrier bearing Tom Woods made up for the front axle. A couple of pillow block bearings with a shaft and two flanges. Looks like a real chunk of iron.


Couldn't sleep last night so I ended up reading all 21 pages, hahaha.

Now I'm REAL excited to see Rinzler completed!

4.3LXJ
04-05-2015, 04:05 PM
Does look like fun doesn't it?

Pookapotamus
04-05-2015, 04:24 PM
Well I recently finished my design for new Wheel bearings, replaces the ball bearing design with tapered rollers that can be trail replaced, so I'm hoping that these will fund Rinzler.

4.3LXJ
04-05-2015, 05:14 PM
Sounds good Dana

JENSSEN
04-08-2015, 11:41 PM
Your rendering does not accommodate the length of the trans and Tcase,..

I'd look at building a sealed cab and a cut down comanche bed,would also help with chassis flex

Pookapotamus
04-09-2015, 08:01 AM
Your rendering does not accommodate the length of the trans and Tcase,..



I'd look at building a sealed cab and a cut down comanche bed,would also help with chassis flex


The transfer case is located exactly where it is in real life, not much detail on it but the flanges are where they are supposed to be, I have been toying with the idea to move the drive line forward a bit to get a better length on the mid driveshaft.

What's with the negativity from you Jenssen? That's not you! You ok buddy??

JENSSEN
04-10-2015, 12:46 AM
The transfer case is located exactly where it is in real life, not much detail on it but the flanges are where they are supposed to be, I have been toying with the idea to move the drive line forward a bit to get a better length on the mid driveshaft.

What's with the negativity from you Jenssen? That's not you! You ok buddy??

AOK Love the idea, ergo why I am commenting, I think if you plan on building off the uni-frame construction you look at longer chassis.It will mitigate drveline issues, allow for 3 sets of apposing forces on the chassis and balance. Moving the driveline forward would add to stock cooling issues unless you plan on a relocation. Look at built 6x6's they have a decent span from steering axle to drive axle.

Maybe a beer and pen and paper in the future as I am not CAD savvy

Pookapotamus
04-10-2015, 07:49 AM
My garage is always open for a beer and a pow wow!

Yes stretching it would be ideal, but that is what I'm trying to avoid, I want to try to keep it small, I still have tones of tweeking to do, I think I can shift the axles back a couple of inches instead of moving the drive line forward.

I do plan on adding more crossmembers too, when I am done I will be basically adding a frame, in fact I might be able to place the XJ unibody into this frame as is sits and not build onto it in pieces.

Keep the ideas coming!

Pookapotamus
04-11-2015, 03:00 PM
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/11/e48bbdf73cd841dd73ea43be238ac788.jpg

Fixed it just for you Steve!

4.3LXJ
04-11-2015, 03:59 PM
Whew, now I don't have to learn a new language. One more problem though. Shouldn't it be HEXAGRIP? :smiley-taunt002: You are only going to have six wheels, not eight? Unless there is another surprise :D

Pookapotamus
04-11-2015, 05:23 PM
I was thinking cause it would grip like an octopus.

Pookapotamus
04-11-2015, 05:24 PM
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/11/045de1c3a324c69c95ee31392118cbb5.jpg

Did some work on the front axle, have to tweak every mount a bit! Nothing but work to do!

4.3LXJ
04-11-2015, 05:25 PM
I was thinking cause it would grip like an octopus.

Of course :D

Maybe the tires should have suction cups

JENSSEN
04-11-2015, 09:37 PM
Beer and brainstorm??? Should I schedule Stephanie for a ride home?

We need Crayons and full sheets of Paper!

abebehrmann
04-13-2015, 09:40 AM
So I couldn't sleep again last night so of course I was thinking about Jeeps and of course Rinzler popped in my head. The thing that got me concerned was the rear driveshafts and all the articulation that the ORIs will have. What are your plans for these? I can't quite figure out how you'll be able to keep the articulation while making it so that they don't bind.

Also what are your plans for the transfer case? I think your pics show two rear outputs, does any company offer one like this already or are you planning on designing/building your own? I thought it was kind of genius how the guy with the 6x6 TJ just flipped the extra transfer case around to get his dual rear outputs.

Pookapotamus
04-13-2015, 04:02 PM
So I couldn't sleep again last night so of course I was thinking about Jeeps and of course Rinzler popped in my head. The thing that got me concerned was the rear driveshafts and all the articulation that the ORIs will have. What are your plans for these? I can't quite figure out how you'll be able to keep the articulation while making it so that they don't bind.

Also what are your plans for the transfer case? I think your pics show two rear outputs, does any company offer one like this already or are you planning on designing/building your own? I thought it was kind of genius how the guy with the 6x6 TJ just flipped the extra transfer case around to get his dual rear outputs.

I'll address the Transfer case first, My thinking is quite simple, the chain in the case is to transfer power down to the yolk for the front driveshaft. The back of that yolk is carried by a bearing and the case basically has a blank in it to cover it, with any luck I should be able to bore out that cover to house a seal and then extend the original shaft that the front yolk connects to and connect a yolk on the back side, therefore connecting the mid driveshaft and have it turn the correct way. This is also a reason I am not planning on going bigger than 33" tires, hopefully that chain can take the extra stress.

As for all the flex in the rear, Mortis has the same amount of flex and his drive shaft does not bind, so the rear axle is fine, I will be installing a floating hanger bearing with a two piece drive shaft so that the mid axle can flex without hitting the rear drive shaft, also the mid axle truss will have a slot cut in it so that the rear hanger bearing and shaft dont hit it.

The mid drive shaft is the one thats worry some, I think I remember some one saying that a tj has an 18" long rear shaft in it, (someone please confirm) and if that is the case thats how long I have the mid shaft at the moment with plans to try and lenghthen it a few inches as well. So if a tj can flex quite well with an 18" shaft then my mid axle should be fine as well. And having the new mid shaft yolk lower just like the front yolk helps with the angles, as it sits right now I have the mid axle at an 11 Degree angle at ride height to face the yolk, and with a 4 link set up it changes the angle of the axle as it articulates to better face the transfercase.

This is also where the 3d model comes in really handy as I can flex all the pieces in all directions to see any binding or issues.

Hope that helps explain what I am planning, more pics as I get more work done to the model! No gaurantees that this will work but its what I am shooting for.

4.3LXJ
04-13-2015, 04:22 PM
Yes Dana, the TJ has an 18" shaft.

Here are some thoughts on the tcase that I think will be more reliable. Then you can go to 35s :D

Here is the configuration of the original Willys 6X6 given to the Gov't in 1946

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/Cool%20Stuff/Armor50sPictorialDictionary-065_zps0varsvbm.jpg

They used the original D18 tcase used in early Jeeps and added a tail housing, same as on the D20 in the PTO port. The D300 is the updated version of the D20 and fits our 6 bolt tail housing pattern. The D300 has the shift rails in the center of the case instead of the right side. So, a little observation and I have determined that the rear drive housing on the D18 looks to be the same bolt pattern as the D300. Also from the images I have seen, the same is true for the front drive housing on the D300. I wish I was still in OR so I could confirm this. I may be able to call and confirm with my old buddy Mac and Mac's 4X4. But it would go like this. Take a D300 and flip it. Add the D18 front and rear drive housing and drill the case for the front shift fork. Also you would use the lower shafts for the D18. What this would give you is a three lever system that would have one lever for each axle. Complete control of the power train. Then if you wanted to get fancy, add a 231 doubler kit and you would have a 4 speed tcase, use your original cross member and have 1:1, 2:1. 2.7:1 and 5.4:1 ratios unless you regear the D300. I really think the 231 aluminum case is not up to the job on this without a lot of bracing for what you want to do

Pookapotamus
04-13-2015, 04:53 PM
looks like the d300 is all gearing and no chain, am I right? and looks like it might be shorter than the NP242 as well, I do like the option to controll all axles too!


Need input Steve!!! INPUT!!!

Pookapotamus
04-13-2015, 05:01 PM
Found this http://www.stak4x4.com/Transfer_Cases/3speed_mini.htm

4.3LXJ
04-13-2015, 08:15 PM
Stay away from the stack. Looks real good, as good as the Atlas, but jumps out of gear. Check Pirate for some reviews on it

4.3LXJ
04-13-2015, 08:16 PM
looks like the d300 is all gearing and no chain, am I right? and looks like it might be shorter than the NP242 as well, I do like the option to controll all axles too!


Need input Steve!!! INPUT!!!

Yes, all gears and strong. The Dana 18, 20 and 300 will all take a ton of abuse. I have seen many 8K clutch dumps off the line and they always held up

Pookapotamus
04-13-2015, 08:31 PM
so how do the levers work? 1 controls the front axle engaged/disengaged, 1 lever controls main gear ratio??

i would assume the stack has the same dimensions as an atlas, i just found all the dimensions for the stack. Got excited

Pookapotamus
04-13-2015, 08:56 PM
also found this at stak, http://www.stak4x4.com/Dana_300/replace-a-case.htm, then i can convert the d300 to a drivers drop, but still need to find a way to make it have 2 outputs


can you explain better on how to make the d300 dual output with parts from the d18 Steve? or i can do to this new aluminum case what i was planning to the 242 and bore and extend its shaft.

4.3LXJ
04-13-2015, 09:08 PM
so how do the levers work? 1 controls the front axle engaged/disengaged, 1 lever controls main gear ratio??

i would assume the stack has the same dimensions as an atlas, i just found all the dimensions for the stack. Got excited


also found this at stak, http://www.stak4x4.com/Dana_300/replace-a-case.htm, then i can convert the d300 to a drivers drop, but still need to find a way to make it have 2 outputs


can you explain better on how to make the d300 dual output with parts from the d18 Steve? or i can do to this new aluminum case what i was planning to the 242 and bore and extend its shaft.

I would have to study the replace a case a little more, but it looks like it would work and be better than a flip. Not sure what is happening with the front axle output though, it looks like a different pattern from the D300 pics I have seen, unless it wasn't really a 300 pic. But basically, I think, although I haven't verified yet, that you would use the 300 guts, gears and shift forks. Converted to a dual lever case, it works like the Atlas II. The right hand lever works the rear axle high and low range, the left hand lever works the front axle high and low range. With the 18 lower shaft, you would change that to the left lever working the high and low range of the new rear axle. Then the third lever works the engage and disengage for the front which would be the same range as the new rear axle as the shafts would be locked together. But bear in mind, I need to verify a few things first. I know the D18/20 can be made to work, I have done half of that conversion myself before

Pookapotamus
04-13-2015, 09:16 PM
Some of it is French to me Steve, really value your input!!!

4.3LXJ
04-13-2015, 09:19 PM
You just need to move to Quebec then :D

Seriously though, I need to do some research to get this down to the gnats eyebrow. But the way to go is with a full gear case. The chain idea works for the average XJ, but when the going gets tough, the tough switch to gears

Pookapotamus
04-13-2015, 09:20 PM
Hell I want one for mort too!!!

4.3LXJ
04-13-2015, 09:23 PM
I have to tell you, I love my Atlas 4 speed. It made as much difference in capability as the lockers did. I really like the idea of 6WD. I want to do it too, but will build mine off the Atlas. I will end up with four tcase shifters :D

Trying to talk my son into the idea too. We would use the Dana tcase parts for his when we stretch the TJ

4.3LXJ
04-13-2015, 10:14 PM
Here is what I am talking about Dana. Here is a Dana 300 on the right and a 20 on the left

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/Cool%20Stuff/Dana300_zpssuiky8ae.jpg

Not a lot of difference there accept for the bolt circle on the input. Now this is what I am getting at. The front output (on the left side of the case) is the same bolt pattern as well as the shift rails in the same location. This is the same bolt pattern as the D18 front output pattern. Only on the D18. the far left shift rod works an engage/disengage only

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/Cool%20Stuff/model_18_exp_zpsecwx5pjr.gif

Notice that in the image of the D18 above, the front output housing is thicker and contains shift fork #30 and slider and stub shaft #41,42. This is engage and disengage only. Both outputs are on the same shaft. So the idea is to use the D18 lower shaft, gears and D20 rear output that hoes in place of the rear cover #12 in the figure. The only challenge to the whole thing here is providing for the third shaft and shortened shift fork for the D20 rear output.

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/Cool%20Stuff/images_zpsnfgn6azs.jpeg

This is a flipped 300. The shafts have been redrilled with a bronco D20 adaptor for the shift rods I think. Can't quite tell in this photo on the front output bearing. , This is the Bronco D20 with a clocking ring on it. But this one has a different bolt pattern on the front output. It uses a four bolt pattern

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/Cool%20Stuff/D300_Replace-A-Case_zpsm4lvxxao.jpg

so here is the Stack replacement case. It says all you need is any D300 case, but I would need to look closely at that. It looks just like the Bronco case and I am sure you need the Bronco shift rod casting for it. But since it is machined flat, I an thinking you could use the Dana 18 front and rear output with a little drilling and tapping. Then you would have an awesome 6WD case. But I need to verify the dimensions of bearings etc on the respective cases so this is tentative

Pookapotamus
04-14-2015, 07:50 AM
Wow Steve! I think I see what your getting at, I really hope this works!!!

Pookapotamus
04-14-2015, 09:19 AM
So I couldn't sleep again last night so of course I was thinking about Jeeps and of course Rinzler popped in my head.


I guess I should also say Thanks for thinking of Rinzler, guess im doing a good job of keeping people interested if your laying awake thinking of my jeep!!!!:bacondance:

4.3LXJ
04-14-2015, 10:14 AM
Wow Steve! I think I see what your getting at, I really hope this works!!!

I think it will. After all, it has been done before in 1946 for a right hand drive. We just have to make it work for left hand drive :bacondance:

abebehrmann
04-14-2015, 10:59 AM
I'll address the Transfer case first, My thinking is quite simple, the chain in the case is to transfer power down to the yolk for the front driveshaft. The back of that yolk is carried by a bearing and the case basically has a blank in it to cover it, with any luck I should be able to bore out that cover to house a seal and then extend the original shaft that the front yolk connects to and connect a yolk on the back side, therefore connecting the mid driveshaft and have it turn the correct way. This is also a reason I am not planning on going bigger than 33" tires, hopefully that chain can take the extra stress.

As for all the flex in the rear, Mortis has the same amount of flex and his drive shaft does not bind, so the rear axle is fine, I will be installing a floating hanger bearing with a two piece drive shaft so that the mid axle can flex without hitting the rear drive shaft, also the mid axle truss will have a slot cut in it so that the rear hanger bearing and shaft dont hit it.

The mid drive shaft is the one thats worry some, I think I remember some one saying that a tj has an 18" long rear shaft in it, (someone please confirm) and if that is the case thats how long I have the mid shaft at the moment with plans to try and lenghthen it a few inches as well. So if a tj can flex quite well with an 18" shaft then my mid axle should be fine as well. And having the new mid shaft yolk lower just like the front yolk helps with the angles, as it sits right now I have the mid axle at an 11 Degree angle at ride height to face the yolk, and with a 4 link set up it changes the angle of the axle as it articulates to better face the transfercase.

This is also where the 3d model comes in really handy as I can flex all the pieces in all directions to see any binding or issues.

Hope that helps explain what I am planning, more pics as I get more work done to the model! No gaurantees that this will work but its what I am shooting for.

I was thinking your 3d model might have taken that into consideration but I wasn't sure and remembered that the guy who built the TJ had to limit his articulation due to the rear DS but then again you are building your own TC and don't have the extra length that his did.

Going back through again, you're using two front axles as rear axles? So it will have 6 wheel steering?

Pookapotamus
04-14-2015, 02:03 PM
Going back through again, you're using two front axles as rear axles? So it will have 6 wheel steering?

I am just using the front housings in the rear to make high pinion rear axles, I doubt ill make them steerable just too many mooving parts, yes it might scrub the tires when turning but tires are replaceable!

4.3LXJ
04-14-2015, 02:40 PM
Dana, I had a plan "blessed" at one time for a selectable mechanical steering. Would lock straight or steer with front

XJ Wheeler
04-14-2015, 04:02 PM
Could go hydraulic for the rear steering with a lever to control and just have to worry about running the lines. And have it separate from the front steering.

Sent via messenger pigeon - i talk, he types.

Mudderoy
04-14-2015, 04:05 PM
What I need to know is how hard would it be to modify this to be a "tracked" vehicle? a.k.a. XJ TANK

TallGuyJeep
04-14-2015, 04:09 PM
I don't know if this is useful information but the new high end Porsches have a few degrees of steering in the rear to help with cornering stability and what not. Half track xj would be pretty sweet too :)

4.3LXJ
04-14-2015, 04:22 PM
What I need to know is how hard would it be to modify this to be a "tracked" vehicle? a.k.a. XJ TANK

There are already kits for that, not cheap though. They require a tall lift and they just bolt on front and rear to the existing axles

4.3LXJ
04-14-2015, 04:23 PM
I don't know if this is useful information but the new high end Porsches have a few degrees of steering in the rear to help with cornering stability and what not. Half track xj would be pretty sweet too :)

A few years ago, some pickups had that option too for sharp turning and maneuvering trailers. They had one half the steering rate of the front

Mudderoy
04-14-2015, 04:27 PM
There are already kits for that, not cheap though. They require a tall lift and they just bolt on front and rear to the existing axles

Oh I am aware, I talking about on 6 wheels full tracks :D Gull wing half doors so you can get in and out. :patriot:

4.3LXJ
04-14-2015, 04:28 PM
Man, you know how to make a lot of work

Pookapotamus
04-14-2015, 04:29 PM
snow cat with an xj body

TallGuyJeep
04-14-2015, 04:30 PM
A few years ago, some pickups had that option too for sharp turning and maneuvering trailers. They had one half the steering rate of the front
I never knew that! It's a cool concept that's for sure. Porsche seems to have had a lot of success in their application.

4.3LXJ
04-14-2015, 04:31 PM
It was a $2K option for GM heavy duty trucks that never really caught on. I only saw one in action

prerunner1982
04-14-2015, 04:38 PM
A few years ago, some pickups had that option too for sharp turning and maneuvering trailers. They had one half the steering rate of the front

Quadrasteer.... see a few around here occasionally. Can tell them by the slightly flared rear fenders. The Petersen's 4 wheel and offroad Ultimate Avalanche used a rear Quadrasteer axle I believe.

TallGuyJeep
04-14-2015, 04:39 PM
How about a half track xj? Wheels in front, tracks in back

Like this but xj style
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/14/d4c187fc466a788cf26eceddff8c08aa.jpg

Pookapotamus
04-14-2015, 04:40 PM
some honda prelude's had that option as well

4.3LXJ
04-14-2015, 04:41 PM
How about a half track xj? Wheels in front, tracks in back

Like this but xj style
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/04/14/d4c187fc466a788cf26eceddff8c08aa.jpg

Somebody wasted a good WWII half track for that

Pookapotamus
04-14-2015, 04:43 PM
halftracks or full tracks although cool would be a pain in the ass, and not that great in the rocks unless they are steel, ill stick with the 6x6!

prerunner1982
04-14-2015, 04:44 PM
Somebody wasted a good WWII half track for that

Being a squarebody guy I don't think it's a waste at all. Could use a little more work to make it look better though.

TallGuyJeep
04-14-2015, 04:45 PM
I like the elk antlers on the front :)

4.3LXJ
04-14-2015, 04:46 PM
I like Chevys too. Buuuutttttt, not many halftracks around to wast like that with vintage stuff. The rubber tracks are decent on the highway and still available in Israel

Carves
04-14-2015, 06:31 PM
halftracks or full tracks although cool would be a pain in the ass, and not that great in the rocks unless they are steel, ill stick with the 6x6!


You've obviously never been stuck on a side of a rocky hill,

... trying to get the tracks back onto the roadwheels, of a damned M113 then .. :D:D


Been thinking about your space problem with wheels and vehicle length,

Since all the wheels will be fairly close together, i.e. the first set of rear wheels will be closer to the front wheels,

... Will monstrous PookYear tyres be a nescessity ?? or do you need them for diff to ground clearance ??

Pookapotamus
04-14-2015, 07:32 PM
The pook years are only 33", no plans to go bigger, totally see what you're saying though! Has crossed my mind, but 33" are just cool!!!

Pookapotamus
04-15-2015, 09:21 AM
Well Steve you have basically convinced me to swap a D300 into Mort, then I can upgrade it and familiarize my self with the case so that I can Modify one to fit in Rinzler.

Since you are spending my money for me, and Jr. is not yet convinced to go to a 6X6, how about adopt me??

Oh and can I borrow 100k Dad???:pray:

4.3LXJ
04-15-2015, 09:35 AM
Can I legally adopt Canadians?:D

Don't forget checking out the 231 doubler. Best place to look into that is on Pirate. The guy has really made these into a good thing from what he had in the beginning. So don't throw away the 231. You will need the reduction gears

4.3LXJ
04-15-2015, 10:25 AM
here is the link for that

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/motor-tranny-t-case-performance/1075295-billet-planetary-doubler-699-box4rocks.html

Pookapotamus
04-15-2015, 01:11 PM
who said any thing about leagaly adopting!:P

I am going to try to model up the D300 this weekend if i get a break from making JK parts!

4.3LXJ
04-15-2015, 01:14 PM
Have fun with that. I don't have those capabilities, so I just end up measuring and welding. Unfortunately, I have to fine tune it later

4.3LXJ
04-15-2015, 08:06 PM
For your viewing pleasure Dana

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_W31

Daimler-Benz G4

Pookapotamus
06-08-2015, 01:53 PM
This kinda sparks up the old idea generator!
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/08/5d741a23ac7f68a5bade979af7a81908.jpg

Brasscatz
06-08-2015, 02:15 PM
There is an xj modification group on Facebook and apparently this is a real thing and not photo shopped

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/08/ea9ef7df4d6267b2b849345ac8644df7.jpg

http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/06/08/972c79ddee8aebfadf8ac7bf1a432f8a.jpg

4.3LXJ
06-08-2015, 02:20 PM
That is really long, but cool nonetheless

Pookapotamus
06-10-2015, 07:23 PM
So I have been doing a ton of engine calculations to see if the tornado would actually work in Rinzler, Super cool engine, but unfortunately I just don't think it would work for what I had in mind for Rinzler.

so now what??? do I go :lame: V8??

or find another suitable unique engine??

abebehrmann
06-10-2015, 08:24 PM
I like the idea of keeping it AMC or Mopar. So I'm thinking:

Turbo 4.0L?

Turbo 4.0 stroker?

ZJ 5.9L?

AMC 360?

4.3LXJ
06-10-2015, 08:43 PM
Dana, if you wanna keep it Jeep, go with the AMC 401. Lots of horsepower there and you can get fuel injection for it. It will put out in the neighborhood of 400 hp with a stock cam. It would push Rinzler along just nicely. Those engines did come in a few Wagoneers and one or two unique CJs. Best thing is that it is still a small block

81scramblermike
08-03-2015, 02:50 PM
dude this will be nuts............. cant wait :popcorn::popcorn:

Pookapotamus
08-10-2015, 02:20 PM
Did some work on Rinzler over the weekend, I don't think there is any way around it, I'm going to have to make one of the rear axles steerable. My thoughts are the rear so that I have a nice tight turning radius.


Having 4WD means getting stuck in more inaccessible places!

Carves
08-10-2015, 05:51 PM
Did some work on Rinzler over the weekend, I don't think there is any way around it, I'm going to have to make one of the rear axles steerable. My thoughts are the rear so that I have a nice tight turning radius.


Having 4WD means getting stuck in more inaccessible places!


woo hoo .. :bacondance:

Ive finally found a buyer for my two spare dana 30 front axles .. :D:D

Ones got a little bend I think ... so it would be a good practice one for you .. ;);)


Whats your thoughts on how much dragging or scrubbing, the centre/fixed wheels, might be doing in a tight turn ??

Pookapotamus
08-10-2015, 07:56 PM
Nope! Not using 30's! Rock jock 44's!

I think they will Drag lots, and I don't want to give up turning radius. So.... I think the rear will have to turn too. Maybe go full hydraulic but having everything hydraulic kinda scares me on the highway


Having 4WD means getting stuck in more inaccessible places!

Carves
08-10-2015, 08:09 PM
Nope! Not using 30's! Rock jock 44's!

I think they will Drag lots, and I don't want to give up turning radius. So.... I think the rear will have to turn too. Maybe go full hydraulic but having everything hydraulic kinda scares me on the highway

dammitttt ... have to keep 'em as garden ornaments then .. :D


yeah ... one blown hose and ............ :rolleye0012:

Theres a reason for old school, linkage steering systems and mechanical hand/park brakes in road vehicles. ;);)

4.3LXJ
08-10-2015, 09:02 PM
woo hoo .. :bacondance:

Ive finally found a buyer for my two spare dana 30 front axles .. :D:D

Ones got a little bend I think ... so it would be a good practice one for you .. ;);)


Whats your thoughts on how much dragging or scrubbing, the centre/fixed wheels, might be doing in a tight turn ??

I am in a big hurry now Dana, but after I get back from camping and wheeling I have some thoughts on that for you

XJ Wheeler
08-12-2015, 10:42 PM
What about having the standard steering up front, and full hydraulic out back with a valve of sorts to "switch" the rear off and on with the front. A line connecting both lines to the rear with a valve to make it bypass the ram when you don't want to use it. That way you can have the front only on the highway and four wheel at slower speeds and offroading. Just thinking aloud because i have no experience with hydraulic steering.

Sent via messenger pigeon - i talk, he types.

Pookapotamus
08-13-2015, 09:26 AM
That's almost exactly what I have been thinking!


Having 4WD means getting stuck in more inaccessible places!

4.3LXJ
08-16-2015, 07:59 PM
That's almost exactly what I have been thinking!


Having 4WD means getting stuck in more inaccessible places!

Dana, I have a simpler version for you, and full mechanical, which is required in the U.S. Not sure about Canada. I came up with a design for a gear box that had two gears in it, stub shaft and rear output. Slider with one slot to slide back for lock straight and forward for rear steer. I had it blessed by a local machine shop as being easy enough to produce. You could make some of the parts yourself on your lathe

Pookapotamus
11-30-2015, 04:31 PM
http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/30/3b0fcf6418e8801cb65efe8c5330999b.jpg


Having 4WD means getting stuck in more inaccessible places!

4.3LXJ
11-30-2015, 05:10 PM
Too many wheels. I can't keep track of them :D

4.3LXJ
03-20-2016, 08:45 PM
Here is another toy to drool over

https://youtu.be/wEgdt2aru9I

Pookapotamus
09-28-2016, 11:18 AM
Played around with Rinzler today, http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160928/09c125b2edc658b8806cebf605980195.jpg

Whatcha think?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

4.3LXJ
09-28-2016, 11:27 AM
What size tires Pook?

abebehrmann
09-28-2016, 01:01 PM
Played around with Rinzler today, http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160928/09c125b2edc658b8806cebf605980195.jpg

Whatcha think?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Looks good to me! Time to start purchasing supplies... :D:D:D

Pookapotamus
09-28-2016, 01:28 PM
33" tires Steve

4.3LXJ
09-28-2016, 01:33 PM
I measured out what I would need for 37s. Gonna take a stretch, but if the rear axle steers should work fine. Inside wheel base would be the same as a TJ. You ready to make a tcase? Coming into possession of a D20 case tomorrow. A few D18 parts and a flip and you wold have it

Pookapotamus
09-28-2016, 01:49 PM
Abe if I only had the money!!! Now that I have a really good idea what he would look like, I really want to go rob a bank and start building! I also think he could look amazing with a roll bar in the back, also this helps to visualize the frame, looks like he will basically be a buggy in the front and back, around the cab. Insurance wont care right???

Pookapotamus
09-28-2016, 01:52 PM
I measured out what I would need for 37s. Gonna take a stretch, but if the rear axle steers should work fine. Inside wheel base would be the same as a TJ. You ready to make a tcase? Coming into possession of a D20 case tomorrow. A few D18 parts and a flip and you wold have it

Unfortunately my dead end job does not pay enough to even start this Steve, so I have went on a diet and I am upping the price on my kidneys!!! I figure a grain fed Pookapotamus Kidney should be worth a fair chunk to get started!!!:D

4.3LXJ
09-28-2016, 03:42 PM
Since you have a lathe, you have some of this battle already done. When you get around to it, I can show you in the near future how to reconfigure D44s for your axles. And the D20/18 tcase triple stick is very doable for relatively cheap and is plenty strong for a 4.0. Will be doing the reconfigure thing this winter it looks like. I pick up my axles tomorrow and have free lockers on the way :D

jonb8
09-29-2016, 09:45 AM
Only a suggestion but have you thought of using a long bed Comanche, the beds on those things are stupid long and with the right tire, would probably fit. 2 axles might actually make a long bed MJ look proportionally right....LOL

http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk468/bainj11/003-2_zpsdhejaoug.jpg

Pookapotamus
09-30-2016, 02:17 PM
Jon, I did consider using MJ parts in the beginning, full frame and easy to mod, but it just does not fit with what I am shooting for, in the first post I outlined some of my goals, fist off being "don't stretch the XJ at all" using a MJ would toss that one out the window. I want to keep it short for maneuverability, most 6X6's are stretched and long, giving horrible turning radius, yes having a 6x6 have a small turning radius is a huge challenge but I have plans. Also wanted to keep the 2 Door XJ doors, its easier to get into than the 4 door when you are 6'2".

That being said, I still would love an MJ!

jonb8
10-10-2016, 05:52 AM
Your right about the doors being small on the Mj and 4 dr xj's, Love your idea's and the unique build...

Pookapotamus
10-10-2016, 12:25 PM
Your right about the doors being small on the Mj and 4 dr xj's, Love your idea's and the unique build...



Thanks Jon, want to buy a kidney so I can get started?


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jonb8
10-11-2016, 08:44 PM
No I've already sold one of mine..LOL The way I do big projects is... I do one thing everyday toward the project. Even if it's just a hour of research or scratching down something in a notebook I don't want to forget...and remember the hardest part of a project is "Getting Started"...