WA gun owners fight back

[xj-jake]

WA Gun Owners Stage The Largest Felony Civil Disobedience Rally In America’s History

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At the end of the rally, gun owners burned their concealed weapons permits and signed a petition vowing to refuse to follow the new gun control law. The petition ended with the text, “We pledge our blood. We will not comply.”

This certainly isn’t the first large scale act of civil disobedience by gun owners in defiance of gun laws. Earlier this year in Connecticut hundreds of thousands of gun owners refused to send in their gun registration forms, also becoming felons. Similar numbers of gun owners in New Yorke have also refused to send in their registration paperwork and some even video taped themselves burning the forms.

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http://www.truthandaction.org/largest-felony-civil-disobedience-rally-americas-history/2/

[autotech98]

And so it begins.....

[abebehrmann]

Could someone explain what's new about these gun laws? Is it just that you need a background check before buying a gun no matter what?

[Mayooo]

they can have my guns when they pry them from MY COLD DEAD HANDS! That's all I'm going to say.

[autotech98]

Amen brother amen

[xj-jake]

Could someone explain what's new about these gun laws? Is it just that you need a background check before buying a gun no matter what?

After a VERY quick look Abe what I'm seeing is that they (the govt) want to make it mandatory to have a background check for any gun purchase. And they want owners to register their guns with the govt. Failure to do this would be a felony. As I said a VERY QUICK look.

There is a meeting at city hall tonight in town regarding a city owned gun range in my town. IF they are going to be decent about it I will support it however, my "scary black" toys will be staying at home. Nobody in this town, especially the police, need to know what weapons I have. The kicker on the city owned gun range is they are wanting it to be in the same range where the local PD and Sheriffs qualify...

[autotech98]

Oh thats a good one. I rememmber when i took my 06 to the range.savage 110 with a harris extendable bipod accu trigger and a 50 mm 10 power scope. Guy next to me said it looked like a sniper rifle..... i laughed cause its my deer rifle.....and other things

[Mudderoy]

Oh thats a good one. I rememmber when i took my 06 to the range.savage 110 with a harris extendable bipod accu trigger and a 50 mm 10 power scope. Guy next to me said it looked like a sniper rifle..... i laughed cause its my deer rifle.....and other things

Nothing wrong with having a sniper rifle.

[autotech98]

Yep those deer can be tricky....:)

[4.3LXJ]

Could someone explain what's new about these gun laws? Is it just that you need a background check before buying a gun no matter what?

In addition to what was said, there are some very restrictive circumstances on registration. For instance, for a gun to be in a museum, the registered owner must be present. There is a WWII museum up there that made the news because all the weapons donated to it had to be returned the the owners. Also, it is now illegal in that state for a widow to keep the guns of the spouse. They have in several instances been confiscated (which as far as I am concerned is illegal confiscation and a violation of the 4th amendment) Weapons man not now be handed down to family members either. The state regs are now so restrictive that it is very difficult to purchase a weapon of any kind

[abebehrmann]

In addition to what was said, there are some very restrictive circumstances on registration. For instance, for a gun to be in a museum, the registered owner must be present. There is a WWII museum up there that made the news because all the weapons donated to it had to be returned the the owners. Also, it is now illegal in that state for a widow to keep the guns of the spouse. They have in several instances been confiscated (which as far as I am concerned is illegal confiscation and a violation of the 4th amendment) Weapons man not now be handed down to family members either. The state regs are now so restrictive that it is very difficult to purchase a weapon of any kind

OK, now all the outrage makes sense to me.

Personally, I don't have a problem with everyone having to go through a background check to buy a gun. It would make privately selling a gun a bit more difficult but would probably help out gun store owners if they were needed as intermediaries and charged a small fee. But then again, I only own one firearm and am fairly uneducated on the subject.

[autotech98]

In pa we have background checks and registration.not a big deal but as for what steve said about widows and family not being able to keep weapons that is illegal search and seizure and just plain wrong

[xj-jake]

In pa we have background checks and registration.not a big deal but as for what steve said about widows and family not being able to keep weapons that is illegal search and seizure and just plain wrong

It's against our constitutional rights as Americans. Another way for the govt (or whoever controls our govt) to disarm citizens.

[4.3LXJ]

I agree. A gun permit is OK in my book, ie background check. But to register every weapon has no other purpose than to make a data base that could be used to confiscate. Here in CA, we have some other new wonderful confiscation laws. If you have ever had treatment for any mental condition, including things like insomnia, you get your guns confiscated by the gun squad by entering your premises without a warrant. You then get to hire a lawyer to get them back for you

[autotech98]

Wow

[xj-jake]

In order to fully understand what all the implications that go with gun confiscation you need to look at other countries that have done it. Australia, Britain, CANADA!

Violent crime rates have gone through the roof. By taking guns away from the people who can legally have them will only make the bad people have them. It's ridiculous. This subject fires me up. Molon Labe. Come and take them.

[autotech98]

I totally agree sir!

[4.3LXJ]

I don't have the stats, but they can be found. Since Chicago was forced to allow concealed weapons and handguns, the murder and theft rate has gone down. Nuf said

[xj-jake]

I don't have the stats, but they can be found. Since Chicago was forced to allow concealed weapons and handguns, the murder and theft rate has gone down. Nuf said

Chicago is a whole other story. Along with Detroit. All I'm saying is that they should maybe let a Republican run those cities for 20 years and then compare the cities to the last 20 that they've been run by Democrats.

I'm sure I will piss someone off if I keep going so if I'm stepping on toes here let me know.

[4.3LXJ]

Politics are OK as long as it is friendly. But you have a point

[xj-jake]

Politics are OK as long as it is friendly. But you have a point

Thank you.

[abebehrmann]

In order to fully understand what all the implications that go with gun confiscation you need to look at other countries that have done it. Australia, Britain, CANADA!

Violent crime rates have gone through the roof. By taking guns away from the people who can legally have them will only make the bad people have them. It's ridiculous. This subject fires me up. Molon Labe. Come and take them.

Do you have a link to these stats? I'm trying to find them and can only really find a murder rate comparison between countries.

[xj-jake]

Do you have a link to these stats? I'm trying to find them and can only really find a murder rate comparison between countries.

I could have gotten a little carried away Abe and spoke outside my limits. The last time I really looked into it was about 2 years ago. But I knew that the murder rates were higher.

I apologize if I mis-spoke.

[4.3LXJ]

Actually through the roof is a stretch. But violent crime did go up in Aussieland when guns were confiscated. Also had trafficking in home made guns, like zip guns and a mass shooting. One thing you have to admit. When faced by someone with a gun, the mass shooters almost always turn their weapon on themselves. Read it in the news all the time

[abebehrmann]

I could have gotten a little carried away Abe and spoke outside my limits. The last time I really looked into it was about 2 years ago. But I knew that the murder rates were higher.

I apologize if I mis-spoke.

No need to apologize, I just like looking at the numbers.

[4.3LXJ]

Abe, I think another statistic that needs to be viewed in this "gun crazy" culture is the total number of violent crimes committed over the past 20 years. I think if you do a search on this, you will find the trend shows a decrease percentage wise.

[Mudderoy]

Gun control isn't about gun, it's about control.

Registration of guns is wrong and shouldn't be allowed.

There shouldn't be any government involvement in guns with the exception in supporting the 2nd amendment.

[autotech98]

Both my grandfathers were WWII vets one was an officer in the Air Force and the other was a sergeant in the army airborne

[autotech98]

And they both had stickers on their trucks that said when the government outlaws guns only outlaws will have guns and I firmly believe that

[4.3LXJ]

Here is some food for thought. Antigun people may not be very honest or law abiding. I found this article interesting, even though it has an obvious bias

http://bulletsfirst.net/2015/01/09/another-bloomberg-gun-control-lackey-faces-jail-time/

[Firemanray]

Getting all the guns in the USA could only be accomplished voluntarily. There are millions upon millions of guns in the US. December 2014 saw 2.3 million background checks, up 300k from Dec. 2013. Seems to me "some" people in America want to be more and more like Europe, I'm sorry but this is the USA, we have always been gun nuts, don't like it LEAVE!
.gov knows about most of my weapons, the remainder were lost in an unfortunate boating accident.
Look up 80% AR-15, that's the way to go!

[denverd1]

If we allow the curmudgeons to control us, they will. It's up to us to define the line that will not be crossed. Good job to the guys in WA, as long as the demonstration is done peacefully. It's the only way to get their attention

[gary63]

becouse of the gun laws class in gunsmithimg have gone crazy there is a 2 month wait now no room. i geuss if you can't buy you can always make.

[Carves]

Nothing wrong with licenses ... or firearm registration IMHO.

Its how the two are administered and enforced .. that concern me.

Down here they are flat out catching the villains running around with illegal machine guns,
... but they will spare no expense in having a home owner charged and tried for leaving a box of .22 rounds up on a shelf .. :rolleyes:


Tis handy having names and addresses of folks, to turn into crims ... rather than getting out and catching the real villains.



Stupid gubberments should really be looking at why ... firearms are misused.

... but it might highlight their policy deficiencies in other portfolios .. :rolleyes:


Since firearms are a bit more difficult to own down here now,

... our mass murderers have to resort to using knives,

Spare a thought for the poor little buggers that died of multiple stab wounds.

Cairns child killings - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[denverd1]

made some cash trading RGR and SWHC when basic ARs were going for 2K IF you could find someone to sell you one. Just about everything was flying off the shelves.

[Firemanray]

becouse of the gun laws class in gunsmithimg have gone crazy there is a 2 month wait now no room. i geuss if you can't buy you can always make.

Like this::D:D
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[xj-jake]

Your scary black guns are scaring me....

[xj-jake]

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[07Negative]

Also in CA. now all rifles & shotguns are registered just like "Military style" rifles were/are. It wasn't like that until Jan. 2014. I got arrested and about $3K in firearms taken from me, all because some anchor babies did a drive by shooting on my street. 4th Amendment goes right out the window too.
Background checks and registration is completely unconstitutional. So is the 10 day cool down period. Not that I want gun totting hip gangster wannabe's with firearms. Laws are written for so called "minorities." Or for whom ever bitches and cries the most. Cali for instance just passed another round of 932 laws. And if you start reading them. You'll probably do what I did and say, "**** it." And settle for the fact that chances are. By definition, you are a criminal some way somehow.
As for the candy ass European lovin lazy working Prius drivers, that want the US to reflect much of what Europe is. Chances are, they haven't even been to Europe. The people, culture, and some of it's Landscape is great. But their governments are just as funked up as ours. It's all from rhetoric they have either heard some another dipshit or read in a mag or paper. Maybe had a brief convo with a tourist. Norway has tons of lazy ass drunks mooching off the public. We have that too! Globalization is over rated. My conclusion is that people don't want to accept responsibility for themselves. So they vote for the government to do it. Why else would the government be so damn big and inefficient? I know Wal-Mart is the worlds & US's largest employer. I'd love to see the numbers stacked up compared to Government workers.
It doesn't help the culture of firearms when any and many jack holes get on Youtube and show the world how small their wanker is with their firearms. Or when a gun nut gives a first time shooter a .357Mag to shoot. Or a 9 year a full auto Uzi and kills an instructor. Or the lady (sadest damn thing I ever read) who's 2 year old accidently killed her, due to negligence. That's the kinda stuff these liberal/socialist minds are preying on. Not pointing the finger at parents for getting knocked up with no plan or means to support future street crime kids. Usually when we need to correct behavior we seek out the root problem(s). But not this governments case. I'm pretty certain that our gun ownership will turn out like something Canada's. And I'm pretty sure not many will do a damn thing about it. Both politicians nor citizens.

[autotech98]

amen brother amen

[Firemanray]

............European lovin lazy working Prius drivers, that want the US to reflect much of what Europe is. Chances are, they haven't even been to Europe. The people, culture, and some of it's Landscape is great............
I thought I might be the only one that has noticed this trend. Are forefathers fought and died to get away from them now it seems we want to be just like them again. NOT ME BUBBA!!!!

[4.3LXJ]

Europe home of the 50% tax rate to support unlimited socialism, class stagnation and limited speech due to political correctness. These people don't really know what they are wanting until it is too late