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4.3LXJ
10-19-2012, 11:19 PM
This section can be used alone or with XJ TALK SHOW! Episode 51
This is intended as a visual aid to go with the Pod Cast

So what is a relay? To most it is a black box, a mystery. Never mind they are usually just little black boxes with some prongs that cannot be understood. Wrong! All they really are is a switch that can be run with another switch. They are just like the light switches in our houses, except that you don't operate them manually. We use an electrical switch to operate them. The most common ones look like this:

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/images.jpg

These come in many configurations and I won't go into that here, but I prefer the ones with the mounting tab on them. Some don't have them and you generally have to specify that if you want one.

Here is a waterproof version that Painless Performance Wiring markets:

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/IMG_0488.jpg

So what is inside these little black boxes anyway? There are two parts, the contact points that are similar to the points we used for years in distributors and a coil that turns into an electric magnet when the power is applied and moves the contact points together.

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/images-1.jpg

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/images-2.jpg

So when do we use a relay? Anytime we need to provide a large amount of current to something that the factory wiring cannot handle. For instance, auxiliary driving lights, electric air compressors and electric cooling fans. For instance a pair of 55W driving lights pull about ten amps, the limit for most good switches. A pair of 100W lights pulls just under 20 amps. A Ford Taurus radiator fan, a popular upgrade pulls 37 amps running and up to 90 amps on start up. Our factory wiring was not designed to handle this kind of load. So we run extra wiring that will handle the load and use a relay for a switch.

So how do you wire these little boxes up anyway? It looks complicated. Not really. Here is a diagram you can go by.

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/12527647e9129233622.jpg

You will notice these spades are numbered. You might need a magnifying glass to see them, but the numbers are there. This diagram shows a four prong relay. Normally we don't use the center one because it is connected until the relay is activated. It also typically is only rated at half the amperage the upper #87 prong. So if you have the type of relay with a mounting foot, and the foot is on the bottom, the power you want to go to your new accessory goes in the bottom and will come out the top. Not too bad. Then the power to switch will go to either side terminal and the other one will go to ground. Fairly simple really and once you have done it, it will seem simple. So what do we use for connecting to them? One of the common ways is to use crimp connectors that fit the spades on the relay. If you use these, there is two things you should remember. One is to get the kind that has the foot so you can anchor them down. You don' want any shorts. The second is make good crimps. Use quality crimpers. If you use cheap ones, they will not be tight enough and eventually cook themselves and ruin the relay too from heat generated at the connection. But there is a better way. Plugs are made to fit them. They look like this:

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/images-4.jpg

These are nice because you get color coded wiring and it protects the prongs on the relay from contacting any metal and making shorts. The kind I use are commonly found at NAPA and can be hooked together with a dovetail joint so you can make a bank of them if you want. Here is my bank of relays for all my extra stuff

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/2012-06-05_19-01-39_945.jpg

This image brings up a couple of points. One is the normal relay you get is rated at 57 amps. The plugs on the left are only for 40 amps. The plugs on the right that have the ten gauge wires are rated at 50 amps. You need to use plugs and relays that are rated for what you are using. And just because the plugs are rated for 40 amps, doesn't mean you can run 39 amps continuously on them. That rating is only momentary. I use a 75% rule, just as in residential and commercial wiring. A 40 amp part should not have any more than 30 amps continuous load. For instance, My Taurus radiator fan pulls 37 amps. In theory, the 40 amps should handle it right. Wrong. They will melt with about 30 minutes continuous use. But the 50 amp plugs allow me to run it continuously because 37 is right about 75% of the rating.

The second thing is, how do you fuse these things, especially for high amp use. I use circuit breakers. They are little two pole boxes at the left of the image. Here are the ones I used to replace my fusible links.

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/IMG_0694.jpg

Again get the ones with feet on them so you can attach them to something. The advantage of these is that you can get them in almost any amperage. The other is that if you have a problem, they reset themselves as soon as they cool off and can really be a big help finding problems instead of going through a box of fuses. Very handy in the middle of nowhere.

So what is another use for a relay? One we all take for granted is our starter relay.

http://i649.photobucket.com/albums/uu215/warriorsuspension/starter_motor_relay1_199c.gif

This is a relay that runs another relay. It takes power directly from the battery to run the starter solenoid, another type of specialized relay so that we don't have to have huge amounts of power coming through the ignition switch.

Hope you enjoyed the Pod Cast

XJ Wheeler
10-20-2012, 12:29 AM
Wow, Steve. If anyone ever questioned your extensive knowledge this shows just how wrong they are. I hope to have your amount of knowledge someday.

Carves
10-20-2012, 12:40 AM
Good Topic 4.3LXJ .. :thumbsup:


Relays are such simple, and useful, little things ... yet many seem to be more scared of them - than engine or gearbox internals .. :D


The link below is also helpful for understanding relays ...

Whilst it repeats most of what you have already posted- it does have some clicky click, on/off features in some of schematics ... which might be useful to someone, trying to get the gist of how that little black box works.

Link --> http://www.bcae1.com/relays.htm#demo

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NW99XJ
10-23-2012, 09:54 AM
I figured I should post up the few pics of relay stuff that I had for this as well. These are for the standard SPDT (Single Pole Double Throw) or 5 post relays.
Good Post Steve!
Glad to have had the chance to have you on the segment.
Thanks for sharing the knowledge....
http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h328/jbchill1/SPDTrelay.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h328/jbchill1/spdtpinshand.jpg

http://i1104.photobucket.com/albums/h328/jbchill1/httpi27tinypiccomoj3rsh.jpg


...And I almost forgot, here's a couple links to some great online "OHM's LAW CALCULATORS"

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q27/stesul411/ohmslaw3.gif

http://www.ohmslawcalculator.com/ohms_law_calculator.php

http://www.onlineconversion.com/ohms_law.htm

Use these to find the necessary resistance values, or determining amperage requirements for your electrical project.

jimmerz9
12-09-2012, 10:22 PM
Hey I'm new to this site and I want to try n do a few things with electronics. But I want to figure out what to do about my speaker situation... Only one side of my speakers work all the time n the other cuts in and out all the time (more out than working). I'm pretty sure the speakers are good although old n stock... Also when I open the door the speaker on the drivers side cuts out until the door is closed again or opened l the way... Any helpful tips or advice would be more than greatful I don't want to put out money I don't need or redo what I just did so advice is welcome. Thank you

4.3LXJ
12-09-2012, 11:00 PM
You either have a loose wire on the speaker connection or broken wire at the pillar where the wires go into the pillar. You are going to have to pull the door panel to find out

jimmerz9
12-10-2012, 11:55 AM
I think it's. broken wire how hard is that to fix

4.3LXJ
12-10-2012, 12:54 PM
A crimp connector will do it

xj4life2
12-13-2012, 10:17 AM
Great write up Steve, now if I wasn't color blind I could be dangerous !!!

4.3LXJ
12-13-2012, 10:19 AM
Don't let that stop you from being dangerous :D

4x4Dalton
12-13-2012, 12:14 PM
Great write up Steve, now if I wasn't color blind I could be dangerous !!!

Like that's stopped you before lol :D


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bad luck
07-26-2013, 06:56 AM
I would like to add one little thing to Steves excellent article on relays. It's easy to test them with a 9volt battery just buy a set of leads at radio shack to snap on the battery and connect them to the coil terminals on the relay, and it will be enough to trigger the relay. Thank you Steve for sharing your knowledge with others.